tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post7218838973896039848..comments2023-12-29T04:14:04.336-07:00Comments on Maunderings of a 40K Gamer: How many Troops are "Enough"?Dverninghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18098608506710554678noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-37821627807569971532010-04-23T15:08:00.713-07:002010-04-23T15:08:00.713-07:00Hey DaveV! I'm glad you like the "Eldar ...Hey DaveV! I'm glad you like the "Eldar Troops Calculus" (that name might stick), it was the process of WAY too much time spent thinking about my beloved Space Elves.<br /><br />And I'm not surprised that you're seeing the hidden message in the math... that DAVU and mech Stormies are the real core strengths. It really shows how a "transitioning to 5th" Codex justDverninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18098608506710554678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-55498456274919037772010-04-23T09:05:08.454-07:002010-04-23T09:05:08.454-07:00Thanks for the interesting article.
Some of my re...Thanks for the interesting article.<br /><br />Some of my recent games have been against armies like Death Guard, Ravenwing, and Emperor's Children. They all have Troops picks that are tougher, more resilient and/or shootier than what's available to Eldar.<br /><br />Your "Eldar Troops Calculus" is elegant. In one go you arrive at the same conclusion I came to only after DaveVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08629682074533048304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-20390239371019221262010-04-22T10:11:08.009-07:002010-04-22T10:11:08.009-07:00@PeteW: Yeah, it sounds like we're on exactly ...@PeteW: Yeah, it sounds like we're on exactly the same page. As with most 4th ed Codexes, Tau are an exemplar of the issue Troops can have. I understand firsthand as Tau were one of my secondary armies up until a couple years ago. They were too much like my Eldar and didn't make the downsizing cut. Cheers and thanks for the thoughtful feedback.<br /><br />@TKE: I do agree with your Dverninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18098608506710554678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-54282163931999129972010-04-22T05:26:56.303-07:002010-04-22T05:26:56.303-07:00I have to adress the point about Plague Marines - ...I have to adress the point about Plague Marines - I think they actually have very little punch indeed. Around here (and on much of the internets, after here, it must be said) the use of them has mostly 'graduated' to 5-man Rhino squads with 2 Meltas. This is as much anti-tank as they can get, doesn't sacrifice much in the way of survivability, yet provides very poor anti-infantry. TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-74825818676284202952010-04-21T13:06:59.453-07:002010-04-21T13:06:59.453-07:00Dverning, I absolutely agree with your comments an...Dverning, I absolutely agree with your comments and didn't mean to come off as being against competitive play or players. I love playing to win as much as I do playing to have a cool story, win or lose.<br /><br />I agree with your statement too that troops are generally outclassed by other parts of the codex. I play Tau and fire warriors/kroot are a real challenge to have. Their firepower Pete Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10662176026555380093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-57522517380758165462010-04-21T12:47:20.310-07:002010-04-21T12:47:20.310-07:00@PeteW: Fair enough. I think it worth noting that...@PeteW: Fair enough. I think it worth noting that I don't designate competitive=tournament and non-competitive=friendly. For me, all games are competitive and friendly no matter if I'm playing in a tournament or a pick-up. I'm not trying to debate semantics so much as express my mentality towards the game.<br />That being said... I'm not knocking Troops choices in general. YouDverninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18098608506710554678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-17829420657153041492010-04-21T12:47:06.518-07:002010-04-21T12:47:06.518-07:00Wow. I wasn't expecting this post to generate...Wow. I wasn't expecting this post to generate any comments, what with wandering off into game theory... I had to break this into two replies due to length.<br /><br />@Kirby: Heh. Thanks. If there's one thing I HATE, it's when I've designed a list with durable Troops and a bent towards wipeouts... only to have some idiot pop in with "Two Troops isn't enough! You needDverninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18098608506710554678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-33043773072071976152010-04-21T07:52:57.872-07:002010-04-21T07:52:57.872-07:00I guess I am in the minority, but I tend to really...I guess I am in the minority, but I tend to really like the troop choices available to me using CSM's. Actually, this is probably just a result of using this particular codex. With codex CSM, my troop choices are a whole lot better than all of my fast attack choices and better than most of my elite choices. Why? Mainly because my troop choices are fearless, it really hurts to pay for an Grizzled Gorillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715567863938779627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-72119414723907249912010-04-21T07:26:46.942-07:002010-04-21T07:26:46.942-07:00I have to disagree with you on this Dverning and K...I have to disagree with you on this Dverning and Kirby, with a couple of caveats.<br /><br />"Troops are often the bland, common, grunt soldiers of the army. Everything Troops can do, selections from other Force Orgs do larger, faster, stronger and louder."<br /><br />Perhaps this is true in many ways but it's far too much of a blanket statement for me and is focused very much on Pete Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10662176026555380093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-86601189675774045932010-04-21T06:56:50.484-07:002010-04-21T06:56:50.484-07:00No link for this [http://hobbyinfobythekingelessar...No link for this [http://hobbyinfobythekingelessar.blogspot.com/2010/03/part-three-dropping-metaphormaking-foc.html] article. :(<br /><br />Ah well. lol<br /><br />Good article overall, though I question the award of Wraithguard as so high. They cannot take a Transport, have terribad range, virtually nil duality, and the lack of Invul Save makes them remarkably easy to kill given the stats.TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-63485847781938099282010-04-21T04:49:51.527-07:002010-04-21T04:49:51.527-07:00I've only got two 5-man squads (that count as ...I've only got two 5-man squads (that count as scoring troops) at 1500 points for my Deathwing. It can be a challenge even with them being Terminators, but it's definitely fun.Space Hulk Enthusiasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03522498406401972832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-53425309108645109682010-04-21T00:23:37.021-07:002010-04-21T00:23:37.021-07:00It should be noted though that this does not hold ...It should be noted though that this does not hold true for every army list.<br /><br />Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Orks, and Nids all have very potent and cost effective troop units which can make-up a much larger portion of their army lists then other armies. Army list composition will determine how much you can rely on your troops to get the job done and how much additional support is needed.<mchmr6677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7270554408723803733.post-31831530636436244432010-04-20T22:24:56.483-07:002010-04-20T22:24:56.483-07:00"Troops are often the bland, common, grunt so..."Troops are often the bland, common, grunt soldiers of the army. Everything Troops can do, selections from other Force Orgs do larger, faster, stronger and louder."<br /><br />This needs to be copied down by everyone 200 times until they can repeat it. They should put a tape on at night saying this to them as they fall asleep. It's simply so mind bogging how many people dump half Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.com